Native Drums
Explore the powerful symbolism of drums in African American culture, once tools of communication and resistance during the darkest times of slavery. We confront the lingering shadows of economic exploitation and the pervasive influence of media and religion in controlling black narratives. Let’s reexamine the role of the black church and its mission to fight systemic injustices, urging a return to prophetic ministries that prioritize humanity and community over material wealth. This podcast episode is not just a reflection of the past but a call to action for the future, urging us to build a more just and liberated world.
Native Drums
What Happens When A Community Forgets Its Own Playbook
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History doesn’t always announce itself while you’re living it and that’s the thread we keep pulling in our conversation with Elaine Reid. She came home looking for a job, walked into a local newsroom, and soon became the first African American anchor woman on WBTW TV 13 News. That single change in who held the mic reshaped access, trust, and visibility for Black communities across the South Carolina Pee Dee.
We talk through how that broadcasting path grows into deeper civic work: reporting in the era of cut film, hosting the community-focused talk show “Happening Now,” and then getting drawn into campaigns because she could communicate across communities. Elaine shares the backstory many people never hear about DC home rule, the Sixth District Black Caucus, and the political chain of events involving Congressman Macmillan, John Jenrette, and the groundwork that helped open doors for future leaders, including early connections to Jim Clyburn. Along the way, we reflect on leaders like attorney Mordecai Johnson and the long strategy behind Brown v Board of Education.
Then we bring it to the present. Elaine explains why the caucus model still matters, why voter registration must be matched with voter turnout, and why local issues like affordable housing and neighborhood investment require regional coordination. She also speaks plainly about today’s political climate, what she sees as attacks on public institutions like the Department of Education, and why she stays on Darlington City Council even when the work is exhausting: faith, purpose, and an “assignment” to keep showing up.
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Welcome And Women’s History Month
SPEAKER_02Hello everyone and welcome to Native Drums. I'm Cecilia Williams, your host for today. And as I um stated on our last uh podcast of last week, we are celebrating women. This is the month of March, which is uh Women's History Month. And uh that's what we're focusing on here at Native Drums. And today I have with me a dear friend, longtime friend. We have acted together and plays. We've she's uh been my mentor since I was, hey, I won't go through all that. But you know, uh it's just wonderful to have you here with me. Elaine Reid, she's also working with me at community broadcasters. Amen. So we're together with that. And it was because of you that I am. Well, hey, it was no other that I could, you know, none other than would fit the bill for that particular job, but um for purpose in the PD, but welcome to Native Drums, Elaine.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. It is it's it's truly a pleasure. Um didn't realize that um that you were doing the same as as that. You always have been the uh, let's see, the the host most of the time with uh with the music show, with uh with uh information kind of thing. So this is good to see you in this on the other side. It's an assignment. And I follow and I'm obedient, so you know it's it's funny that you say that because when you say about an assignment, um as I've as I've matured, the word assignment um comes in different in different ways. Yes. And as we take our spiritual journey, these are assignments. That's it. It means a lot. It has a great impact on a lot of folk. And I'm telling you, your assignment has had a great impact. God bless you.
Breaking Barriers On Local TV News
SPEAKER_02Thank you so much. But we're here to talk about you, all right. Elaine Reed, yes, indeed. Oh boy, uh City Councilwoman. Elaine Reed of the City of Darlington. But let's um, I want to begin, like I said, this is Women's History Month, and um you are a first, a first here in um our area. I don't know if many remember, but Elaine was the first African-American anchor woman on WBTW TV 13 News. My goodness. I remember that. I do, I do, I do. So let's talk about that, those days, and how how you captured that.
SPEAKER_01How you would not um, as everything that do you follow the path that God has for you? Yes. Because that was never a choice. Um I was actually um moving back back home. I had been on the West Coast and moved back home. Okay, and um was looking for a job. And all of the places that I went to put in an application was TV 13. And that was another um icon in our community, Ruth Smith. Oh, yes, she worked there, and and kind of said, um, come on out here. And when I put in the application and um took the interview, it wasn't long. Um I was asked to to come on. And that was to just to work in the newsroom. Just to work in the newsroom, and that was like coordinating all of the uh reporters as they got the stories in and going out. I could keep up with them and where they were, just in case and just keep up the time. And then there, and now I know this. At that point you didn't know. It was time for the FCC's um uh what he's saying, credentialing, uh, that kind of stuff. And uh one of the things which we did not know that during that time that they needed to be a little bit more diverse. Okay. Um I will give uh TV 13 at that time that they did not mine or was in that path. The different kind of community things they were doing. Right. They opened themselves up to make sure that they did come diverse. Well, I was just at the right place at the right time. It didn't bother me about talking, as you see. Right. I didn't understand the magnitude of being on there, but they kind of added me to the reporters. Okay. And I did that. I started out just um, you won't believe it, it's nothing like now. We had to have the camera where you put the film in and you cut your film, you go take the story, and all that. Right. Um so it was educational as well. But that's how I got to be there, and it just worked out. It seemed like something quite natural for me. Uh, and they needed it. It meant so much to the PD, the entire PD area. That's right. And going all over, being able to go into communities, they see uh African American at that time, a young black woman on there that they could talk to and give the the account of what they really wanted to do. If it if it was a particular uh event and things like that, it felt they felt more comfortable with me covering. Yeah, definitely. It really was. So it was an experience. And then that led to them also um promoting um where they they needed a they had a talk show, they had some kind of dance program, I think Motor Roosted was on it. Sweet Molaroos Caceship Center. Space C I remember that.
SPEAKER_02I was on that.
A Community Talk Show Becomes Politics
SPEAKER_01Me and Douglas Hawkins as little children, right. So, you know, it things just kind of evolved. So that led to uh a talk, a TV talk show uh that was geared simply to the black community.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And that's what I did, and I was the host that was called Happening Now.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01And uh first it started with the 15 minutes, then it and went on to 30 minutes. Oh wow. And that went it went on until um the political theme got me.
SPEAKER_02The political theme was.
SPEAKER_01And I was I was really exposed to the conditions and the disparity between communities.
SPEAKER_04Of course.
SPEAKER_01And it meant it meant a lot. When I moved into, which I was still there, Lord have mercy. It is uh it is something and to see and to see where we how it was then and where we are now, uh the kinds of the kind of movements that's coming. I'm here to tell you the fight is more now. Now than it was. Those were in the days of Dr. Beck. That and that's what I was saying. Dr. R. M. Beck. Because we do not have that kind of organization now with our African American communities. Yes. It was uh the sixth district black caucus that we had that entail the ten counties that made up the sixth district at that time. Okay. Mm-hmm. And that's another story. I was gonna say that's another story.
SPEAKER_02Like moving into the political arena. So the the news situation just catapulted you into because you were um the administrative assistant to John Jen Red.
SPEAKER_01To John Jen Reddit. Um and that's because of my being uh on TV, they did not have okay, you you had what you call black coordinators in the county. That was predominantly um uh uh the black population, a voting population. And uh so that's how the the coordinates came. But to actually work on the staff, they didn't have anyone. And their um can't John's campaign manager at that time came from, oh gosh, uh, I think it was Ohio, something in the northern cities, and and wanted and knew how things was coming. But and they asked me to come on because I would have been acceptable in the black community as well as the white community because I had been on TV.
SPEAKER_02And for those of you who are not familiar with who John Genrett um was, he was the sixth district congressman uh-huh for um for the PDF.
DC Home Rule And Sixth District History
SPEAKER_01For the for um this uh for the sixth district. For the sixth district and that entailed at that time 10 county. Okay. If if we have time, I'd like to give you the backstory to that as before John got there. Yes, good. And that was I got the story as I was working at TV 13. One um one year uh in okay, let me just go with this. The the movement started with uh the African African Americans, uh black folk in the city of Washington, D.C. wanting home rule. They did not have uh where they could vote. And the mayor of DC was the longest serving congressman in in in the U.S. Senate, I mean U.S. um House. And when they went to look, when they the movement started with the uh black folk there uh to try to get home rule, their own uh representatives and and uh in the city, they looked into how they could get that done. And when they learned that it was the longest serving congressman, that was whoever that would be, they could be from any state, they found that it was from 6th districts, South Carolina that that was then, and that time it was uh Congressman Macmillan.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And he was serving that was is a uh a lot of history there. Right. So the movement was that uh the black folk from DC came to talk to the black folk in in the 6th district because they could see all of the statistics that we had to it's such a high rate, high number of registered black folk. Okay. And why wouldn't we could have our own congressmen?
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And and but they came to talk and they uh uh recognized that we had a sixth district black caucus that got things done, and they talked with that group, and out of that, the first black man from he was a Dr. Claude, uh Dr. Stevens from he was a dentist in King Street, South Carolina, and they got him to run. And he did run, he he did um run that year, then he lost, and but he lost, but that opened the door to others running. That's right. Because the ones in DC did not stop. Okay. So this time they found they tried because when um when he ran on the Democratic ticket, I was just saying that. And the the Democrats didn't didn't win when they got to the general. Okay. They came and saw that there were uh uh interested uh white folk who would further their cause. John Jen Rett happened to be one of them. He did win, he did win the Democratic primary, which Macmillan was running. Okay. He defeated Macmillan and when he got to the general, and that's when Jen Rhett lost to Eddie Young, but he had he he had defeated Macmillan, which gave the folk in D.C. a chance for them to be able to elect their own. So for the next couple of years. So this DC and sixth district collaboration was going on all of those years. For a long time. Oh, okay. Because they actually came back and and helped because John said he would run. He and he came back to run against Ed Young, and those are the years that that's the the year that they that he won, and I came to work for John General. Okay, all right, all right. Because for me to get the story, uh the Cherublasa Parade, which is every year in DC. Yes. The year before that that the um Mayo High School was one of the bands that that they invited to to march in that parade. And I went with the band to cover it. And I got to meet the folk in DC that was uh what was that you were collaborating with. With all those in here. That's how I got involved. Everything came came to that. And I stayed, I just been in it ever ever since.
SPEAKER_02So actually, that somewhat opened the door for Jim Clyburn. Oh, it's no question. Yeah. For him to be where he is today.
SPEAKER_01At the TV station, my very first um talk show happening. I had Jim Clyburn. He was working for the governor, Governor West. Okay. And they came. So he's always been there. But oh yeah, there's no question that he came. That he oh it was let me tell you, it has been, that's what I'm saying. Things uh the the evolution of the political scene in the PD. They need to know this kind of history because we made it. And now you've got all these this this different mindset, and we are not involved, we're not at the table, we are not making making that. It's just kind of frustrating. You know, it's just when I say frustrating as the one that in it at this at this level on the local level, and and you seeing how you they we have gone back and lost the grounds that we made.
SPEAKER_02So it's time now for history history to repeat it with.
SPEAKER_01Yes, we gotta get there. Uh we we need that organization. Uh at this point, I didn't I didn't want to still be in as sitting as an elected official, but uh until it's just that assignment, my spiritual journey has has opened the door where I welcome, I have to see, because it's it seems so difficult to stay in this path. I have to stay with the word, I have to stay with the good Lord, I have to see if this is where He wants me to go. And and it's still here is I'm still here because that's what I feel my assignment is.
Mordecai Johnson And Movement Strategy
SPEAKER_02And you know, um I can I can see Sankofa in this with you being where you are today now and with what you have done in the past and what you've learned in the past and experience, the experiences that you have had. That's what Sankofa is bringing the learning from the past as we press towards the future. So um we press towards that future and uh make these changes, bring that victory on forward. Amen. Amen, amen. Amen. Now there's one other thing I know the story that you told me a while back about the education, uh education department in Washington, D.C. when Mordecai, attorney Mordecai C. Johnson, was please tell just tell that story to our to our, I was about to say listeners, to our viewers.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I'm pretty vague. Oh gosh. But Mordecai was one of those finders he had no fear.
SPEAKER_02That's right.
Black Women’s Backbone In Public Life
SPEAKER_01None at all. And this was before he moved to Florence, correct? Yes. When this took place, yeah, before we moved there. And and and he stood there and as one of the folk with the, oh gosh, I uh fighting for the uh you know the word, the uh the the case, Brown versus Brown versus education. He was one of those because the fight began again out what we considered the the the sixth district, South Carolina, even though it was like Lynchburg, Clarendon, something, and all of those, he was the one that got right there and had and did not back up, did not that I'm what I'm saying is me, all intentions, this should not have made it. He was so smart that he outmaneured them with his way, with this way, he learned it to use all of their all of that um technique or education or whatever to put it there and beat it down where they had to rule in his favor. But that was Mardecal Johnson. Yes. That was Mardecal Johnson. I want you to know. It was um there is so there's so many uh oh goodness, um when it comes to Mardecal, because things like uh uh when you they I guess they call us radical, the Black Panthers, the the movement that when it came here, he gave you there, he was not in there, but he gave you all of the legal terms for you to be able to operate. Operate in it. You see. Those are the kinds of those, and he was of course a member of the the the uh black um Sixth District Black Caucus. Right. He was also a member there, as well as um as and so I'm saying this and want you to know this simply because the caucus was made, whatever your expertise was, whatever it could have, whatever it was, you joined that to be that. And it didn't, if you were a taxi driver, it did not matter. You came in there because those members, yeah, Dr. Beck was there, medical doctor, you had Mr. Austin out of Darlington, right. Um uh the De Bose man, Spurgeon DeBose there with his the businessman. Right. All of those folk here. And um not to mention EJ McIver and all the the the the fellas here who was on a maybe a uh a little bit more o aggressive uh with that um and and did not mind speaking. Giving them mind a push and yes, that's right. We and I know um you don't hear me hear me mentioning a lot of the women because we were there at all times because that's the movement was the our men out front. That's why we are pushing so now to keep our men out front because we as the women didn't look for the notification. We looked to be there to give that base. We were always here to do that and not to minimize where we are. Right. Because, and it is not a minimize, is because we were always out front so that they could move, you know, right, because you you know, the way women. I'm being demean demean now. Look what poor not poor, excuse me for using that, because Jasmine Crockett is nothing like that tough, tough young lady that stood up under that. But that's the kinds of things rather than have our women beat down, our men stood. Our men stood. And that's what is uh that's what we're looking for now for them to stand up.
SPEAKER_02That's what I was about to ask. Do you think that this strategy that was utilized in the past can be executed in this present day now to do that?
SPEAKER_01It can. Because as you have pointed out about San Copenhagen, it has to. It's gonna take not the men fighting the Trump mentality of people, it's gonna take our men. Take those men demeaning, striking down, just stomping them down with the way that we always did. They didn't know we were coming half the time.
SPEAKER_02But yeah.
SPEAKER_01But look at it. That strategy that Mordecai. Do you understand? The same they did not know attorney Monica Johnson, because you know how he would come sometime and the little jacket rumble up or something like that. They didn't think that this man was a genius in the way the strategies that he used to get him out. That's what I'm saying. And we do have men, young men, that's like that. Yes, that have that same that um uh power and energy and and and the desire and passion to be able to do this. We simply gotta let them be there. We simply have to let them to be there and have their backs. That's why Jesse Jackson, when they continued to show his picture with the tears in his eyes when uh when Barack Obama was being sworn in. Because it took a Michelle Obama to make sure family and what did she do? She brought the mama and everything in the White House, and there had not been one scandal, the only president you know that did not have that, because you understand the the women there with our men. You understand? Okay. Yes, yes and I might not be able to put it specific word for word, but you those who are listening, I know you know, you know, even if when we're out front, it takes us. That's that's the true power of us as black women. We don't seek it, we just do it. That's right. We just we just do it. And we withstand. We withstand, we have that it's that's what makes us so that we are strong. We just strong, we just have that stamina in us that we can we can we can with withstand so much so that we rise. So that we rise. It is is always here.
SPEAKER_02And we just um yeah, it's the strength, and you know, um, and actually, as we know, it's the strength of the black church. Women, as always, particularly now.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes, uh particularly in the past. Well, women carry Jesus' ministry. Amen. Amen. Yes, it did. Yes, they financed his ministry.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I just uh I want to thank you for this. Uh I don't get a chance to share.
SPEAKER_02I know, but when you told me the story of some years back when uh the radio station was um located on Irving Street, owned by um Glory Communications in Columbia, and uh I still have that interview, as a matter of fact. And when you told me those stories and about attorney Johnson and uh the different things that took place in Washington in the collaboration with DC, I was like, oh my goodness, we've got to tell this story on native drums. Amen. Yes, yes, our toe cash. So we got to do this, Elaine. You know, so that so that everyone would, you know, and um because this is something that uh our community needs to know, you know, and they did not know that.
SPEAKER_01It is, it's it's it's been it's it's it's when I look back, uh uh when I look back and and I'm telling stories to others, uh, when they are happening, you don't see that this it that it's history are even significant. Yes. You you don't even uh think that it is, but I thank the Lord that we are here now. Yes. Okay. Yes, yes.
Rebuilding Organization Through Local Leadership
SPEAKER_02So now the the sixth district, um what was it, the black caucus. The black caucus. It still exists?
SPEAKER_01No, the caucus is not there. I have um I have approach because approached some of the folk throughout the PD about trying to let's let's see if we can have another one. If you want to do a different name, a different kind of name. But yeah, I wanted them to look at see I'm this I was using Florence County as as an example. The municipalities in Florence County, right now, the municipalities, all of the leaders, uh not all, but the majority of them are have um black leaders. That's right. They are the the black mayors. That's right. And in your and then when you go outside, excuse me, excuse me, um go outside, even in Darlington, we have um uh two out of the two municipalities uh are black mayors. Um moving on down, uh Lake City. Right. Well that's in Florence County, but um even in uh Williamsburg, um uh Dillon, Dillon County. Right. Uh uh Marlborough does have some um um the black representatives here. I think I don't think they have uh a mayor in Bennettsville or no, there is one, I don't know whether it's Clio or one of the little small, small towns.
SPEAKER_02There was one in Cellars at one time.
SPEAKER_01Yes, there he's that he's still there. So say all of those are municipal, the little cities, or what the municipality that are we're forming. So I see it, it can be done.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01We just need to connect and start being so separated. We get um, I look at what I want to do in Darlington, but for me to do what I want to do in Darlington, I have reached out to this and and one of the things is that I'm using is um housing because uh it is such a need in our affordable housing. Yes. And what they call energy efficient, but they want to use whatever terms they want to use, but so that our neighborhoods could be that. Because that was a particular the issue in the past when we were so involved with our political thing. Everybody wanted, we had our ways. The voter registration was ultimate that we get everybody. Everybody registered. And see, now if you do get them registered, you don't get them out to vote. The thing in the in the past, if we registered you, boy, they you know they they were gonna vote. They were gonna vote because that's what they wanted wanted to do. It was such a a passionate thing.
SPEAKER_02One thing I've noticed in Florence when it comes to voting, uh, when there's a local election, um, say like for instance, like the mayoral election, they really came out to vote during that time. Yeah. And then they'll come out for a presidential election.
SPEAKER_01But then the other the other uh elections they where the the real policies and things are being made on the state level that affects our local level and all that kind of stuff, they seem to just kind of die out.
SPEAKER_02And um and uh so do you think that um with um the caucus being reborn that that would um help the situation?
SPEAKER_01I do. Because right now the energy is in the I see what I'm saying, the fact that we do have these uh younger leaders in in there, that's what I'm saying, that they would be, they would come with the idea. They are knowing on a local level what they're facing with, and if they came together how they could do it on the state level.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay, how they could ease that in if it's just one at a time. But together, that is a powerful if we all get to getting our get behind certain um legislators to say, and I can't think of one here now, but uh just um let's say if it's um legalizing marijuana, you know, does that gonna help us? I don't know. I mean, when you look at the court system as to what how many they're putting people in over these little small things, and you got uh things like the fentanyl that, where it you can see a a definite disparity in how they treat one to the other when it comes to the minorities or when it comes to African Americans. Those are the things that I'm saying. You need to be uh uh the the local folk could be together and say, well, we're gonna push this or we're gonna push that. You're gonna be for it or you're not gonna be for it. What what do you want? You know, that's you know, just so you'll have a united front. And we need to know that. The same kind of um um spread when they want to do the black, uh, I'm not sure how they call it, but the blackout when we are asking our community not to spend money at locals and on certain days. On certain days, do not shop, don't spend it. Let's let let let the uh let the community know, let these um entrepreneurs know how valuable our monies are. And we start putting it in our community.
SPEAKER_02That's right.
Modern Fights From Voting To Education
SPEAKER_01That's right. It's it's it's it's all kind of good things, yes. I do believe, I do believe if we could possibly come together like that, again, especially now, when you got that Trump mentality, ever which you were. And when I say the Trump mentality, the man, even if it was to do any good, which I d I d I don't want to uh say that it is, what leader, what in what zone or what world that you as a leader demean any particular people? And that's all he does. It just and then want to know accomplishment, but put my name on other people's accomplishment. What leader is like that? That's what I'm saying. It's insane here now that mentality to see, and there our governor come and put a man's name on how hard we fight for an inner state, 73 for no reason, don't come, don't be, no input. But you want to put his name, but the worst, God have mercy to put his name on the Kennedy Center. Well, it's a self-centered world now. Oh gosh. But it was something to see when I went to visit uh my my niece who also works for the federal government though, when it I wanted to go, we needed a Mardecai to go there and fight when they closed the Department of Education. Do you understand the impact that has to this country? No federal guidance for education, the basic for everything here. Okay, and the man then gonna put his face on the building. Just so you we as women as we celebrate ourselves, yes, and you know it it has been through us, women of all colors, shapes, and sizes, that have been the basis for any educational impact that we have had.
SPEAKER_02Yes, because that is what uh Mordecai was fighting for. Yes, um, like you said, Brown versus the Board of Education, and he was um the the strength in that and using his strategy and uh defeating them and they're not even really knowing.
SPEAKER_01I mean it and I needed others to tell that story because they were so those that were kind of there. You got the people like the Billy Feminine down that was family, he wasn't there, the families that were uh were were there and then um it because it took years now. It was years, but that's all right. When it got to him, that was something.
Why Elaine Runs For City Council
SPEAKER_02Well, I tell you. Well, before we go, um let's talk about present day. Present day, city council woman. Uh what uh you were in politics, definitely. Um just uh for decades. So what how did you end up running for city council?
SPEAKER_01You were not that um and thanks for asking that because I never wanted to be an elected official. Never because I worked in the the campaigns to make them that way, so I saw how all that was and what it takes for you to be there. So I didn't I didn't think I had that kind of um demeanor to be able to be negotiating like that at all and compromises, it's a lot of that goes on. So when I um retired and came back and uh the young we were making history in Darlington where um Gloria Cheeseburgh, another history maker over there. Um anyway, you got to cut that out. I got excited because I saw your next guest. Um anyway, we um Gloria Cheeseburgh Hines was running for mayor for mayor. So when she did win, when we when she won that seat, uh that left her seat vacant. And she was asking. She needed somebody to run and made sure that she still had some support there on there. That's right. And she did ask a few folks, so it came down the lane. I said, okay, I'll do it for what is one term till we get somebody else. And that's 10 years ago. Oh wow, ten years ago, and you're still there. I'm still sitting there because it is absolutely necessary. It is um, as I say, back to what we started out with our assignment. So and I had to, I truly had to ask him, uh, show me, Lord, if this is what you want me to do when it was the second term, like this. And this and this being my third term coming up this last election, I truly was on my knees. And so because it it was such it's such a fight, but it's absolutely necessary. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02And um, what God has for you is for you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. And that I believe.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes. Like um we have said throughout this entire discussion, um, the assignment, when he assigns you to a certain job, to assigns you to be in a certain place, to sit at a certain table. Yes, then uh he entrusts you with his people.
SPEAKER_01Well, it has been a pleasure. I want to thank you for giving me this opportunity to share about those kinds of things. Definitely never get a chance to talk about another.
SPEAKER_02Right, right, because it was so exciting for me whenever you uh and I and Alex said that was several years ago, and I have never ever forgotten that.
SPEAKER_01What it did for me during the time we were trying to get John elected, John Generate elected, you know, one of the most famous folks that came, and Camp Render was Shirley Chisel. Oh, wow. I was the one that had to coordinate her travel. I still got a picture. Awesome. I still got a picture with me and Shirley Chisholm.
SPEAKER_02Awesome, that's indeed. Oh yes.
SPEAKER_01So working with him put me with some powerful women. Barbara Jordan was another one I got a chance to be right there with. In there. And that was the one of the greatest things about that.
SPEAKER_02Awesome. That is wonderful. That's wonderful. You have had uh you have and you have had uh a beautiful and victorious experience. Thank you. As a black woman. And we appreciate that. And um, like I said, I I watched you when I was a kid on television. I said, you know, I ended up in broadcast journalism at Benedict College. That's all right. That was it. Uh watching you and others around me as I grew up, my motivation.
SPEAKER_01So don't you know that that makes a that makes me feel that what I did during that time. Yes. Yeah, during that time made a difference.
Legacy Reflections And Closing Thanks
SPEAKER_02Yes, it did. It did. So thank you ever so much for coming with us and sharing today uh on Native Drums. And um, everyone make sure you listen to Purpose in the PD. Yes. Every Sunday at 6 o'clock on Almighty105.1, and you'll hear Elaine Reed with all of her special guests out of the community in the per in the PD. All right, thank you again. All right. You're listening you have been, I'm about to say you're listening. You're watching Native Drums uh uh as with our special edition uh for Women's History Month. And uh tune in on next Sunday when we will have another legend of the PD. Thank you ever so much for watching. This is just Celia Williams. Have a great evening. All righty.
